I get your point, but when Kirby Puckett gets brought up on beat-a-bitch charges and NFL Man of the Year and Jesus freak Eugene Robinson gets busted trying to get freaky with a Miami prostitute, all bets are off.

Remember that these folks' bank accounts are tied to their on-field performance; anything they can do to enhance that performance means more $$$$$$. Its sad but things like "for the love of the game" are the equivalent of knock-knock jokes and underarm fart noises in the Major League clubhouse of today.

To paraphrase Mencken, the only way to look at an athlete is down.

I suppose the OBP of the Moneyball equation is going to become a lot more important than the SLG of same this season.

But, anyway, does this development, i.e. steroids running rampant in baseball, but specifically from the Oakland clubhouse, tarnish the rep of Billy Beane? As a GM, I mean. I doubt anyone is thinking Billy Beane the player did any 'roids.

Also, new Bright Eyes album title --

The Clear & the Cream; or, the Jose Canseco Penned Expose Thread?

Also, I guess we know why Halle Berry left Justice. Atrophy of the testes, WHAT WHAT.

Actually, I think just the opposite: David Justice wasn't juicing. Halle left him because he was a bit too possessive.

That said, it is Justice's one-time marriage to Halle Berry that has provided him the confidence to break the thin blue line and expose the steroidal truth. He figures, "Got-damn, I fucked the most beautiful mulatta in the world. I could die now, and die happy. I don't need to keep up my 'friendships' with those cad players. So, fuck what they think of what I say. I have been to the top of the mountain... It's anything I want to do, from here, forward."

more like Dave Juicing.

Juiced or not, DJ got out while the getting was good---Halle hot but she crazier than a shithouse rat. Justice didn't need an Andre Rison situation in his life.

And homeboy hit that homerun in Game 6; so he is infallable. Dis him at your own risk.

Bob Costas: "And the team of the 90's....has its world championship"

Nothing against DJ's career & marriage, but he's a really annoying color commentator.

He's a huge leap ahead of Tim McCarver who should hang it up immediately.

Speaking of people who should be beaten. I'd love to see a Thunderdome style cage match between Bud Selig and McCarver. "Two men enter.....one man leave."

Then just kill the winner.

I have a boy who works in the clubhouse of a major league team he told me about 3 of 21 field players weren't juicing. I think that is an accurate assessment of what was happening. I honestly knew what was going on and didn't care.

If steroids are illegal, then only criminals would have steroids.

Oh and a couple of guys who defintely are not juicing

BJ Surhoff
John Smoltz

what about willie mcgee? all of these 40 year old super pitchers are probably on the juice. or are cyborgs.

List of people to be beaten-

#1. JOE BUCK

Is there a bigger tool in sportscasting today?

<----Lifelong Braves hater.

<-------Lifelong MandyMoore..Fvudge? hater


That's cool. BUT, hate the players, coaches, fans, whatever but you cannot argue with how they have done it.

Great General Managing, way underrated managing, great farm system, and all with a payroll that will be 120 million less than the Yankees this year.

Yea, I can't deny that the Braves were/are a great franchise. Even if they are the Buffalo Bills of MLB. Growing in NC, people who were UNC fans were typically Braves fans, so it was natural for me to dislike both.

I still cannot bring myself to root for the Braves. But I sure do damn respect them. Amazing organization. Never thought much of Bobby Cox, but he must get alot of credit for this teams success. The predictions every spring that finally this will be the year a team bests them in the NL East are a long running joke.

Steve

the only time that i can root for them is if they're playing the yankees.

<----------------lifelong reds fan

edit- and honestly i always thought that dale murphy was pretty cool.

Except of course the Braves won a World Series!

Greatest World Series game ever 1991 World Series Smoltz goes 9 Morris goes 10. Final score Minnesota 1 Atlanta 0.

A fucking heartbreaker

I don't get the relevance of this. We put most of the 90s Braves under the bus as well. It's not anyone is saying "Oh all these dudes were juicing and the Braves weren't" Hell, Glavine may or may not have been juicing, but he is as complicit as anyone in his role as head ofthe player's union.



The Weasel?!!? I think he came up in a pre-juice era.

I know most people here will believe otherwise, but Frank Thomas is totally clean. He has been the most outspoken player against steroids since about 1999 and has offered to test. He also led a boycott of the testing in 2003 so that the % of players who tested positive would be as high as possible so that testing would be MANDATORY in the following season. He hasn't gotten bigger in his 13 seasons...he's always been huge and he's always been one of the best contact hitters in the game. The homer totals for Thomas were never gargantuan, either.

I tend to agree with you on that.

Spade, I actually agree as well. Bloor, I know disagrees, because we talked about this. I told him that if you implicate Frank, you implicate Bo Jackson, Barkley and almost everyone who attended Auburn in the early-mid-80s. He gave me the "your point is?" answer.

Frank is just a BIG bastard. Always has been. Much of my family is from Columbus, GA (Frank's hometown) and one of my uncles said Frank was like a grown ass man in 8th grade. Just a sheer physical specimen.

yeah, frank is a huge bastard. He was my favorite player for a long time, and there's not a lot of love lost these days between me and frank, but I just don't believe he is juicing.

he's just an oversized Gary Coleman

Just explaining my talk about Dave Justice. The topic seemed to be steering towards the Braves and various players, so I just threw that in. Not totally relevant.