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Video: Tom Cruise on..."Tom Cruise, Homosexual"

This one's even better than the Will Smith mash-up!

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seriously, someone needs to make a clip of that laugh of his. i was immensely entertained when i kept rewinding it over and over.


also, craig ferguson as tom cruise.

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ok, this is kinda funny.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3f716ffebe


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No big surprise, but some hackers are going after them:

http://www.npr.org/templates/dmg/dmg_rpm.rpm?id=18764810&type=1&date=07-Feb-2008&mtype=RM&sc=YahooNews&getUnderwriting=1

Maybe the article is wrong, but I had no idea they were tax-exempt, thats some serious BS. Seems to me that the lack of transparency in their organization would be enough to prohibit this.

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Not an affirmation, but I thought this was pretty hilarious.

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Holy Xenu! Paul Haggis Renounces, Secret-Spills on Scientology

Let's cut right to the chase: Oscar-winning writer-director Paul Haggis (Crash, Million Dollar Baby, Casino Royale) has publicly, blisteringly, bridge-burningly split from the Church of Scientology after 35 quiet years as a member.

True, he was nowhere near the religion's most famous celebrity practitioner, but he will no doubt now go down as one of its most infamous, thanks to the inevitably viral publication of his resignation letter, addressed to Church of Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis. (The letter was first published on the blog of renounced Scientologist Marty Rathbun, who confirmed its authenticity.)

In the missive, Haggis details the reasons for his split, which can be chalked up to three irreconcilable impasses with the church: its refusal to speak out or stop one of its chapters from supporting California's gay-marriage-banning Proposition 8, thereby, in Haggis' eyes, promoting "bigotry and intolerance, homophobia and fear"; Davis' public betrayal and smear campaign against former members of the organization; and, what seemed to be the final straw, the church ordering Haggis' wife, who was introduced to Scientology through her parents, to "disconnect" from them.
And yes, that's exactly what it sounds like: Haggis' wife was told to cut off all contact with her parents due to something "absolutely trivial" they supposedly did 25 years ago. The order, which Haggis personally opted not to obey ("I've never been good at following orders, especially when I find them morally reprehensible"), was made all the more hypocritical by what Davis did next. Namely, wholly denying the policy during an interview with CNN. "You said straight-out there was no such policy, that it did not exist," Haggis wrote. "I was shocked. We all know this policy exists. I didn't have to search for verification—I didn't have to look any further than my own home." The order was made all the more baffling by the fact that the parents in question "never said a negative word about Scientology...hardly raving maniacs or enemies of the church."
"That's not ancient history, Tommy. It was a year ago. And you could laugh at the question as if it was a joke? You could publicly state that it doesn't exist? To see you lie so easily, I am afraid I had to ask myself: what else are you lying about?"

Turns out, at least two other things.

The first was the church's involvement in a campaign against Prop 8, which successfully overturned gay marriage in California.
Haggis said he has tried for 10 months to get Davis to denounce the San Diego chapter of the church's public sponsorship of the "hate-filled legislation." "I told you I could not, in good conscience, be a member of an organization where gay-bashing was tolerated." Haggis said that Davis promised him in October 2008 that he was as horrified at the political alignment as the director, and that "heads would roll." Cut to one year later and no action, no condemning press release, no public statement of any kind has been made. "The church's refusal to denounce the actions of these bigots, hypocrites and homophobes is cowardly. I can think of no other word. Silence is consent, Tommy. I refuse to consent. "You had allowed our name to be allied with the worst elements of the Christian Right...Despite all the church's words about promoting freedom and human rights, its name is now in the public record alongside those who promote bigotry and intolerance, homophobia and fear."

Haggis' final lightbulb moment came courtesy of the reaction of the church in general and Davis in particular to a series of investigative pieces on Scientology published in the St. Petersburg Times.

The articles included accusations made against the organization by former top-ranking officials within the church, including its erstwhile spokesman of 20 years, Mike Rinder. "Tommy, if only a fraction of these accusations are true, we are talking about serious, indefensible human and civil rights violations," he wrote. "It is still hard for me to believe. But given how many former top-level executives have said these things are true, it is hard to believe it is all lies."

Even harder for Haggis to believe: Davis' response. In his defense of the church, Davis threw caution and credibility to the wind, per Haggis, splashing in both the mainstream press and the organization's own newsletter personal details on the executives that had been divulged in confidence during sessions with the church. "I was truly disturbed to see you provide private details from confessionals to the press in an attempt to embarrass and discredit the executives who spoke out. "A priest would go to jail before revealing secrets from the confessional, no matter what the cost to himself or his church. That the kind of integrity I thought we had, but obviously the standard in this church is far lower—the public relations representative can reveal secrets to the press if the management feels justified."
As for whether or not such secrets on Haggis will now spill forth, the director said he is "painfully aware" that may be the case. "Luckily, I have never held myself up to be anyone's role model." He also said that while "the great majority" of Scientologists he knows are genuinely good people, some may choose to no longer associate or even work with him (indeed, his IMDb page can likely kiss goodbye any joint credits with Tom Cruise or John Travolta), but that it is a decision he had to make. "I have finally come to the conclusion that I can no longer be a part of this group. Frankly, I had to look no further than your refusal to denounce the church's anti-gay stance, and the indefensible actions, and inactions, of those who condone this behavior within the organization. I am only ashamed that I waited this many months to act.

"I hereby resign my membership in the Church of Scientology."

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Haggis' final lightbulb moment came...

Unsurprisingly, dude is only armed with a 25 watt bulb.


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Haggis' final lightbulb moment came...

Unsurprisingly, dude is only armed with a 25 watt bulb.


And that's all the smarts it takes, apparently, to realize you're dealing with a bunch of lunatics.

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I guess the first lightbulb moment should've probably been the bit where someone gave him the pitch about Emperor Xenu and spaceships and tiny aliens, and then asked him to cut a large-ish check.


I'm sorry but if anyone over the age of 6 buys that, they have failed in some irreversible way.

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I'm sorry but if anyone over the age of 6 buys that, they have failed in some irreversible way.


Now, throw Xenu in the middle east 2,000 years ago, give 'im a virgin birth and reanimation from the dead, and presto magicko you got sanity.


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Putting Reanimation and Christ in the same sentence opened up my imagination. Suddenly, it sounds like a great horror flick.

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Putting Reanimation and Christ in the same sentence opened up my imagination. Suddenly, it sounds like a great horror flick.


Coming soon: Recrucifier. He rose the first time... Now, let's see him try to do it again.


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I'm sorry but if anyone over the age of 6 buys that, they have failed in some irreversible way.


Now, throw Xenu in the middle east 2,000 years ago, give 'im a virgin birth and reanimation from the dead, and presto magicko you got sanity.


I told my wife this almost in exact words the other day. I must be going to hell.


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Because all religions are the same.

But your beliefs are superior.


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Because all religions are the same.

But your beliefs are superior.


All my beriefs are belogh two meeg.


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seafoam Wrote:
Drinky Wrote:
Because all religions are the same.

But your beliefs are superior.


All my beriefs are belogh two meeg.


This is where GARLANDISH (the language of the GARS, itself a variant of GERALG WILGIAMGS) meets Christmas Ape's transcriptions of Hines Ward's post-game quotes.


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MAX TARDCORE Wrote:
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Because all religions are the same.

But your beliefs are superior.


All my beriefs are belogh two meeg.


This is where GARLANDISH (the language of the GARS, itself a variant of GERALG WILGIAMGS) meets Christmas Ape's transcriptions of Hines Ward's post-game quotes.


That's my first time speaking GARg. I gibbered back at Drinky not sure if he was directed at me. A little provocation when actually I think we are in agreement.


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Because all religions are the same.

But your beliefs are superior.


All religions are not the same but the religious experience has been the same cross-culturally for thousands of years.

One's judgement of a person's belief is relativistic. From an agnostic or atheist's perspective, the whole lot is completely ridiculous.

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but the religious experience has been the same cross-culturally for thousands of years.


Really? Seems like kind of an arrogant judgment call to me. I'm sure you have a "scientific" basis for what you're referring to as a "religious experience" (psychological phenomenon?), but it discounts the nature and purpose of many beliefs.

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One's judgement of a person's belief is relativistic. From an agnostic or atheist's perspective, the whole lot is completely ridiculous.


This is obvious. You take anyone outside of any given culture, tradition, and religion, and that with which they're unfamiliar will often seem ridiculous.

Which is not to say that atheism or agnosticism seem ridiculous to most religious people, but they can seem equally arrogant and self-righteous and appear to have just as many unthinking followers who absorb cultural norms "religiously" and judge things that don't conform to those norms and accepted "facts" with a religious fervor.


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Yeah, the story of Xenu is ridiculous unless it first showed up on 3,000 year old parchment written in Sanskrit.


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Drinky Wrote:
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but the religious experience has been the same cross-culturally for thousands of years.


Really? Seems like kind of an arrogant judgment call to me. I'm sure you have a "scientific" basis for what you're referring to as a "religious experience" (psychological phenomenon?), but it discounts the nature and purpose of many beliefs.


Yeah I'm all about being "objective" and "scientific", such a tedious way to live an empty and purposeless life. I have read a great deal about the belief structure of many different religions and I do appreciate the richness of what you call the nature and purpose, the why of their beliefs and their stories. But if one is familiar with the psychology and neuroscience of religious experience, you'll find that that it is the same cross-culturally over thousands of years because we all share one thing in common, which is a human brain. Experience of the "divine" or "god" or "cosmic consciousness" depends wholly on the uniqueness of the human brain and it's capacity for self-awareness. I hate to break it down and spoil the peculiar wondefullness of many belief systems but they are just subtle manifestations of a very specific subjective awareness (the god experience) mixed with space-time/cultural anchors.

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One's judgement of a person's belief is relativistic. From an agnostic or atheist's perspective, the whole lot is completely ridiculous.


This is obvious. You take anyone outside of any given culture, tradition, and religion, and that with which they're unfamiliar will often seem ridiculous.

Which is not to say that atheism or agnosticism seem ridiculous to most religious people, but they can seem equally arrogant and self-righteous and appear to have just as many unthinking followers who absorb cultural norms "religiously" and judge things that don't conform to those norms and accepted "facts" with a religious fervor.


Of course atheism and agnosticism are belief systems just like others, some are more fundamental, some more forgiving. So they can judge just like all the religious types. Again the human brain is totally designed to differentiate, to break down, separate our perceptions, whether they be simple sensory or higher-order. We discriminate and we judge. It's what our brains do and there is little we can do to prevent it.

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We discriminate and we judge. It's what our brains do and there is little we can do to prevent it.


and if we follow that process to its logical conclusion, we sure as shit do not end up with Emperor Xenu.

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We discriminate and we judge. It's what our brains do and there is little we can do to prevent it.


and if we follow that process to its logical conclusion, we sure as shit do not end up with Emperor Xenu.


But from a relativistic standpoint why does one necessarily seem more far fetched than the other?

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They don't, at least not to me. Rads is correct there.

Agnosticism / Atheism seem to be the only things you can arrive at objectively.

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DumpJack Wrote:
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but the religious experience has been the same cross-culturally for thousands of years.


Really? Seems like kind of an arrogant judgment call to me. I'm sure you have a "scientific" basis for what you're referring to as a "religious experience" (psychological phenomenon?), but it discounts the nature and purpose of many beliefs.


Yeah I'm all about being "objective" and "scientific", such a tedious way to live an empty and purposeless life. I have read a great deal about the belief structure of many different religions and I do appreciate the richness of what you call the nature and purpose, the why of their beliefs and their stories. But if one is familiar with the psychology and neuroscience of religious experience, you'll find that that it is the same cross-culturally over thousands of years because we all share one thing in common, which is a human brain. Experience of the "divine" or "god" or "cosmic consciousness" depends wholly on the uniqueness of the human brain and it's capacity for self-awareness. I hate to break it down and spoil the peculiar wondefullness of many belief systems but they are just subtle manifestations of a very specific subjective awareness (the god experience) mixed with space-time/cultural anchors.


I'm not trying to challenge any of your academic knowledge on the subject, specifically the physiological/psychological side of the "experience". I suppose for you "religious experience" is an academic term for this very concrete and clearly definable phenomenon, and in which case the fact that it is the same across the board with all religions is basically a non-issue. It really says nothing about their relative value or actual probability that they all act on the same capability of the human brain.

Anyway, debates here almost always seem to be people talking past each other, and I'm not really sure where I was going with this. I don't really expect Radcliffe to ever present any real reasoning to back up his arrogant little jabs, just to present an air of being "obviously in the right". It's nice that you'll actually elaborate on your views, but don't go thinking that you've "spoiled" anything for anyone. Science only conflicts with spiritual belief in so much as it can challenge preconceptions of the specific ways in which beliefs are understood.


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I don't really expect Radcliffe to ever present any real reasoning to back up his arrogant little jabs, just to present an air of being "obviously in the right".

This exact discussion has gone on ever since the early CMJ days. Back then I might have taken the time to compose a reasoned response to Drinky, but that's because I used to think I was corresponding with a being capable of advanced thought.


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